Publication date
9/15/04
Volume
25
Number
18
The WatchTower
Views from the Watch Tower
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SUTIlKBItR 
15. 
1904 
ZION'S 
WATCH 
TOWER 
(276-277) 
mony 
of 
experimental 
religion. 
Now 
the 
class 
meeting 
is 
at· 
tended 
by 
very 
few, 
and 
is 
in 
many 
churches 
abandoned. 
Sel­ 
dom 
the 
stewards, 
trustees 
and 
leaders 
of 
the 
church 
attend 
class. 
Formerly 
nearlr 
every 
Methodist 
prayed, 
testified 
or 
eX­ 
horted 
in 
prayer-meetIng. 
Now 
but 
very 
few 
are 
heard. 
For­ 
merly 
shouts 
and 
praises 
were 
heard; 
now 
such 
demonstrations 
of 
holy 
enthusiasm 
and 
joy 
are 
regarded 
as 
fanaticism. 
"Worldly 
socials, 
fairs, 
festivals, 
concerts 
and 
such 
like 
have 
taken 
place 
of 
the 
religious 
gatherings, 
revival 
meetings, 
class 
and 
prayer 
meetings 
of 
earlier 
days. 
"How 
true 
that 
the 
Methodist 
discipline 
is 
dead 
letter. 
Its 
rules 
forbid 
the 
wearing 
of 
gold 
or 
pearls 
or 
costly 
array; 
yet 
no 
one 
ever 
thinks 
of 
disciplining 
its 
members 
for 
violating 
them. 
They 
forbid 
the 
readin~ 
of 
such 
books 
and 
the 
taking 
of 
~uch 
diversions 
as 
do 
not 
mimster 
to 
godliness, 
yet 
the 
chUl 
eh 
Itself 
goes 
to 
shows 
and 
frolics 
and 
festivals 
amI 
fairs, 
whH'h 
destroy 
the 
spiritual 
life 
of 
the 
young 
as 
well 
as 
of 
the 
old. 
The 
extent 
to 
which 
this 
is 
now 
carried 
on 
is 
appalling. 
The 
spiritual 
death 
it 
carries 
in 
its 
train 
will 
only 
be 
known 
when 
the 
millions 
it 
has 
swept 
into 
hell 
stand 
before 
the 
judgment. 
"The 
early 
Methodist 
ministers 
went 
forth 
to 
sacrifice 
and 
suffer 
for 
Christ. 
They 
sought 
not 
places 
of 
easc 
and 
llffiuence, 
but 
~f 
privation 
and 
suffering. 
They 
gloried 
not 
in 
their 
big 
salarIes, 
fine 
parsonages 
and 
refined 
congregations, 
but 
in 
the 
souls 
that 
had 
been 
won 
for 
Jesus. 
Oh, 
how 
changed! 
hire­ 
ling 
ministry 
will 
be 
feeble, 
timid, 
trurkling, 
time-serv­ 
ing 
ministry, 
without 
faith, 
endurance 
and 
holy 
power. 
Meth­ 
odism 
formerly 
dealt 
in 
the 
great 
central 
truth. 
Now 
the 
pul­ 
pits 
deal 
largely 
in 
generalities 
and 
in 
popular 
lectures. 
The 
glorious 
doctrine 
of 
entire 
sanctification 
is 
rarely 
heard 
and 
seldom 
witnessed 
in 
the 
pulpits." 
• 
• 
• 
As 
respects 
the 
Methodist 
church, 
past 
and 
present, 
we 
are 
inclined 
to 
concede 
much 
of 
what 
the 
Bishop 
presents 
as 
truth 
and 
not 
as 
childishness. 
Weare 
inclined 
to 
think 
that 
higher 
criticism 
and 
evolution 
theories, 
etc., 
have 
turned 
the 
minds 
of 
the 
Methodist 
leaders 
as 
well 
as 
of 
the 
leaders 
in 
other 
denom­ 
inations, 
so 
that 
they 
take 
more 
worldly 
view 
of 
all 
affairs 
of 
life 
than 
was 
customary 
in 
the 
past. 
We 
are 
not 
by 
this 
mean­ 
ing 
to 
say 
that 
Methodists 
and 
others 
are 
less 
moral 
or 
less 
benevolent 
than 
in 
former 
times, 
but 
we 
do 
incline 
to 
Slly 
that 
they 
and 
others 
of 
our 
day 
have 
less 
faith 
in 
God, 
less 
faith 
in 
his 
Word, 
less 
faith 
in 
Jesus 
and 
the 
merit 
of 
his 
precious 
blood 
BISHOP 
FOSTER 
TOO 
OLD 
FOGY 
for 
the 
forgiveness 
of 
sins, 
and 
less 
consecration 
to 
his 
service 
Bishop 
Foster 
of 
the 
Methodist 
Episcopal 
church 
has 
been 
than 
in 
times 
past. 
dropped 
from 
the 
lists-superannuated. 
The 
gentleman 
took 
The 
great 
sift:ng, 
the 
separating 
work 
of 
this 
harvest 
time, 
too 
pessimistic 
view 
of 
Methodist 
progress. 
His 
views 
are 
is 
in 
progress: 
the 
tare 
class 
of 
nominal 
Christians 
are 
being 
lightly 
dismissed 
as 
childish 
and 
old 
fogy. 
Our 
readers 
can 
separated 
from 
the 
sincere 
and 
consecrated 
wheat 
class. 
The 
judge 
of 
the~e 
matters 
for 
themselves 
and 
form 
their 
own 
opin- 
latter 
will 
be 
found 
largely 
in 
the 
minority 
and 
will 
be 
('onsid­ 
ions. 
The 
Bishop's 
views, 
as 
expressed 
by 
himself 
and 
pub- 
ered 
"old 
fogy," 
and 
their 
faith 
and 
hopes 
will 
be 
greatly 
at 
lished 
in 
the 
Methodist 
JournaJ, 
are 
as 
follows:- 
discount 
in 
the 
nominal 
system, 
but 
at 
premium 
in 
the 
Lord's 
"The 
church 
of 
God 
is 
today 
courting 
the 
world. 
Its 
mem- 
estimation. 
The 
Lord 
is 
gathering 
out 
his 
jewels 
and 
will 
leave 
bers 
are 
trying 
to 
bring 
it 
down 
to 
the 
level 
of 
the 
ungodly. 
none 
of 
them 
in 
Babylon. 
"Come 
out 
of 
her, 
my 
people, 
that 
ye 
The 
ball. 
the 
theatre, 
nude 
and 
lewd 
art, 
social 
luxuries, 
with 
be 
not 
partakers 
of 
her 
sins 
and 
receive 
not 
of 
her 
plagues." 
all 
their 
loose 
moralities, 
are 
making 
inroads 
into 
the. 
sacred 
The 
bride 
of 
Christ, 
the 
true 
members 
of 
the 
great 
High 
enclosure 
of 
the 
ehurch; 
and 
as 
satisfaction 
for 
all 
this 
world- 
Priest, 
are 
not 
falling 
away 
in 
this 
time 
of 
general 
worldliness, 
liness, 
Chri~tians 
are 
making 
great 
deal 
oi 
Lent 
and 
Easter 
unbelief, 
skepticism 
and 
forms 
of 
godliness 
without 
the 
power, 
and 
Good 
Friday 
Rnd 
Church 
ornamentations. 
It 
is 
the 
old 
but 
are 
growing 
in 
grace, 
growing 
in 
knowledge, 
growing 
in 
trick 
of 
Satan. 
The 
Jewish 
church 
struck 
on 
that 
rock, 
the 
love 
and 
in 
the 
fruits 
of 
the 
Spirit. 
The 
difficulty 
with 
the 
Romish 
church 
was 
wrecked 
on 
the 
same, 
and 
the 
Protestant 
world 
is 
that 
they 
see 
the 
nominal 
Christians 
Rnd 
see 
not 
the 
churrh 
is 
fast 
reaching 
the 
same 
doom. 
true 
church: 
"The 
world 
knoweth 
us 
not 
because 
it 
knew 
him 
"Our 
great 
dangers, 
as 
we 
see 
them, 
are 
assimilation 
to 
the 
not." 
world, 
neglect 
of 
the 
poor, 
substitution 
of 
the 
form 
for 
the 
fact 
MISLEADING 
THE 
YOUNG 
TO 
BATE 
GOD 
of 
godliness, 
abandonment 
of 
discipline, 
hirelin~ 
ministry, 
an 
Before 
us 
is 
an 
advertisement 
of 
"Book 
for 
Children 
and 
impure 
gospel, 
wl1ich 
summed 
up, 
is 
fashionable 
ehurch. 
That 
Young 
Persons-Book 
10, 
THE 
SIGHTS 
OF 
HELL," 
by 
Rev. 
J. 
Fur­ 
Methodists 
should 
be 
liable 
to 
such 
an 
outcome. 
and 
that 
there 
RbI' 
ff 
bl' 
'1 
ft' 
nlSS, 
.,. 
• 
., 
pu 
IS 
Ie 
lll, 
re 
an 
should 
be 
si~ns 
of 
it 
in 
undre 
years 
from 
I' 
sal 
0, 
The 
advertisement 
gives 
two 
extracts 
whirh 
we 
r<>produce 
be- 
Reems 
lmost 
the 
miracle 
of 
history; 
but 
who 
that 
looks 
about 
low 
with 
deep 
sense 
of 
shame 
that 
in 
this 
twentieth 
century 
him 
todav 
can 
fail 
to 
see 
the 
fact 
and 
under 
the 
British 
flag 
there 
should 
be 
people 
to 
publi<;h 
an(l 
"Do 
not 
Methodists, 
in 
violation 
of 
God's 
Word 
and 
their 
others 
to 
buy 
and 
circulate 
such 
terrible, 
blasphemous 
mi~repr<>­ 
own 
disripline, 
dress 
as 
extravagantly 
Rnd 
as 
fashionably 
as 
sentations 
of 
divine 
providence. 
How 
we 
long 
for 
th<> 
bin(ling 
anv 
other 
class? 
Do 
not 
the 
ladies, 
and 
often 
the 
wives 
and 
of 
Satan 
and 
the 
opening 
of 
the 
ey<>s 
of 
human 
lInrlerstanrting 
daU!!hters 
of 
the 
ministry, 
put 
on 
'gold 
and 
pearls 
and 
co~tly 
promised 
in 
the 
Millennium. 
Sure~y, 
whm 
some 
of 
the 
poor, 
array?' 
Would 
not 
the 
plain 
dress 
insisted 
upon 
by 
John 
Woes- 
delud<>d 
oneA 
come 
forth 
from 
tIl(' 
tomb 
they 
will 
reioic<> 
to 
know 
lev. 
Bishop 
Asbury 
and 
worn 
bv 
Hester 
Ann 
Rogers, 
Lady 
Hunt- 
the 
true 
God 
and 
to 
participate 
in 
his 
gloriouA 
plan 
of 
slllvllti('n 
ingdon 
and 
many 
others 
equally 
distin~uished, 
be 
now 
regarded 
at 
presellt 
understood 
by 
so 
few. 
The 
extract 
from 
page 
19 
in 
Methodist 
circle,> 
as 
fanaticism? 
Can 
anyone 
going 
into 
the 
reads 
thus:- 
Methodist 
church 
in 
any 
of 
our 
('hief 
cities 
diAtinguish 
the 
~HE 
RED-BO~ 
FLOOR 
attire 
of 
the 
communicants 
from 
that 
of 
the 
theater 
and 
ball- 
roers? 
not 
wor!ifliness 
seen 
in 
the 
music? 
Elaborately 
"Look 
into 
this 
room. 
What 
dreadful 
place 
it 
is! 
The 
dressed 
and 
ornamented 
choirs, 
who 
in 
many 
caAes 
makc 
no 
pro- 
roof 
is 
red-hot, 
the 
walls 
are 
hed-hot, 
the 
floor 
is 
like 
fession 
of 
'rl'Iigion 
and 
are 
oft.<>n 
sneering 
skeptics, 
go 
through 
thick 
sheet 
of 
red-hot 
iron. 
See, 
on 
the 
middle 
of 
that 
It 
cold. 
artistic 
or 
opl'ratic 
performance, 
which 
is 
aq 
mlwh 
in 
red-hot 
floor 
stands 
girl! 
She 
looks 
about 
sixteen 
years 
harmony 
with 
spiritual 
worship 
aq 
An 
opera 
or 
theater. 
Under 
old. 
Her 
feet 
are 
bare. 
She 
has 
nl'ither 
Ahoes 
nor 
sto('kings 
such 
worldly 
performflnce 
spirituality 
is 
frozen 
to 
death. 
on 
her 
feet; 
her 
bare 
fl'f!t 
stand 
on 
the 
red-hot 
burning 
floor. 
"Formerly 
every 
Methodist 
attended 
class 
and 
gave 
testi- 
The 
door 
of 
this 
room 
has 
never 
been 
opened 
since 
she 
first 
[3427J 
of 
her, 
my 
people, 
that 
ye 
be 
not 
partakers 
of 
her 
sins 
and 
re­ 
ceive 
not 
of 
her 
plagues." 
More 
and 
more, 
as 
the 
present 
"harvest" 
draws 
to 
its 
close, 
the 
uniting 
of 
the 
tares 
will 
progress 
and 
the 
liberty 
of 
the 
wheat 
will 
likewise 
progress: 
"Whom 
the 
Son 
makes 
free 
is 
free 
indeed." 
The 
wheat 
will 
more 
and 
more 
give 
heed 
to 
the 
words 
of 
the 
Apostle, 
"Stand 
fast, 
therefore, 
in 
the 
liberty 
wherewith 
Christ 
hath 
made 
us 
free, 
and 
be 
not 
entangled 
again 
with 
the 
YQke 
of 
bondage." 
But 
while 
the 
wheat 
class 
are 
to 
be 
thus 
free, 
are 
not 
to 
be 
bundled 
like 
the 
tares, 
there 
will 
be, 
nevertheless, 
among 
them 
union, 
not 
of 
bondage 
and 
creeds 
and 
disciplines, 
etc., 
but 
union 
of 
hearts 
accomplished 
by 
and 
through 
the 
truth. 
Each 
one 
of 
this 
class, 
being 
united 
as 
branch 
to 
the 
vine, 
will 
thus 
have 
relationship 
to 
every 
other 
branch 
in 
the 
vine. 
This 
is 
the 
true 
union 
which 
the 
Lord 
desires 
amongst 
his 
people.-­ 
union 
in 
Christ. 
Those 
thus 
united 
to 
the 
head 
are 
his 
mem­ 
bers 
or 
branches, 
and 
as 
they 
come 
to 
realize 
this 
relationship 
they 
will 
discern 
that 
they 
are 
not 
Lutherans, 
nor 
Calvinists, 
nor 
Russellites, 
nor 
Wesleyans, 
nor 
Campbellites, 
but 
are 
all 
one 
in 
Christ 
Jesus. 
The 
secret 
of 
this 
individual 
liberty, 
individual 
faith, 
indi­ 
vidual 
responsibility 
toward 
the 
Lord, 
yet 
complete 
union 
with 
all 
who 
are 
his, 
is 
found 
in 
the 
fact 
that 
these 
are 
all 
"taught 
of 
God," 
taught 
of 
his 
Word, 
guided 
by 
his 
Spirit. 
We 
do 
not 
by 
this 
mean 
that 
the 
teachin~ 
element 
in 
the 
church 
is 
to 
be 
ignored, 
of 
which 
the 
Apostle 
declares, 
"He 
that 
is 
of 
God 
hear­ 
eth 
us," 
and 
again, 
God 
hath 
set 
in 
the 
body 
the 
various 
mem­ 
bers 
as 
it 
has 
pleased 
him, 
pastors, 
teachers, 
evangelists, 
etc. 
The 
point 
to 
be 
kept 
in 
mind 
ill 
that 
evangelists, 
teachers, 
apos­ 
tles 
are 
not 
to 
be 
given 
in 
our 
minds 
the 
place 
that 
belongs 
to 
the 
Lord 
but 
at 
very 
most 
are 
to 
be 
esteemed 
as 
his 
servants 
and 
mouthpieces, 
and 
as 
such 
are 
to 
be 
critically 
examined 
by 
each 
belieyer 
to 
see 
that 
the 
teachings 
are 
in 
harmony 
with 
those 
of 
the 
Lord 
and 
the 
Apostles-"If 
they 
speak 
not 
accord­ 
ing 
to 
this 
Word, 
it 
is 
because 
there 
is 
no 
light 
in 
them." 
Thus 
the 
true 
saints 
Ilre 
all 
to 
be 
taught 
of 
God 
in 
that 
they 
will 
lov­ 
ingly 
and 
critically 
examine 
every 
teaching 
and 
every 
teacher 
in 
the 
light 
of 
the 
divine 
message. 
This 
is 
the 
union 
which 
the 
oaints 
should 
desire 
and 
which 
the 
Lord 
is 
gradually 
accom­ 
plishing 
amongst 
his 
people, 
the 
wheat, 
while 
outward 
union 
is 
being 
fayored 
by 
him 
as 
means 
of 
separating 
the 
tares 
from 
the 
wheat. 
Serremere 15, 1904 of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues.” More and more, as the present “harvest” draws to its close, the uniting of the tares will progress and the liberty of the wheat will likewise progress: “Whom the Son makes free is free indeed.” The wheat will more and more give heed to the words of the Apostle, “Stand fast, therefore, in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yqke of bondage.” But while the wheat class are to be thus free, are not to be bundled like the tares, there will be, nevertheless, among them a union, not of bondage and creeds and disciplines, etc., but a union of hearts accomplished by and through the truth. Each one of this class, being united as a branch to the vine, will thus have a relationship to every other branch in the vine. This is the true union which the Lord desires amongst his people— union in Christ. Those thus united to the head are his members or branches, and as they come to realize this relationship they will discern that they are not Lutherans, nor Calvinists, nor Russellites, nor Wesleyans, nor Campbellites, but are all one in Christ Jesus. The secret of this individual liberty, individual faith, individual responsibility toward the Lord, yet complete union with all who are his, is found in the fact that these are all “taught of God,” taught of his Word, guided by his Spirit. We do not by this mean that the teaching element in the church is to be ignored, of which the Apostle declares, “He that is of God heareth us,” and again, God hath set in the body the various members as it has pleased him, pastors, teachers, evangelists, etc. The point to be kept in mind is that evangelists, teachers, apostles are not to be given in our minds the place that belongs to the Lord but at very most are to be esteemed as his servants and mouthpieces, and as such are to be critically examined by each believer to see that the teachings are in harmony with those of the Lord and the Apostles—“If they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them.” Thus the true saints are all to be taught of God in that they will lovingly and critically examine every teaching and every teacher in the light of the divine message. This is the union which the saints should desire and which the Lord is gradually accomplishing amongst his people, the wheat, while outward union is being favored by him as a means of separating the tares from the wheat. BISHOP FOSTER TOO OLD FOGY Bishop Foster of the Methodist Episcopal church has been dropped from the lists—superannuated. The gentleman took a too pessimistic view of Methodist progress. His views are lightly dismissed as childish and old fogy. Our readers can judge of these matters for themselves and form their own opinions. The Bishop’s views, as expressed by himself and published in the Methodist Journal, are as follows :— “The church of God is today courting the world. Its members are trying to bring it down to the level of the ungodly. The ball, the theatre, nude and lewd art, social luxuries, with all their loose moralities, are making inroads into the sacred enclosure of the church; and ag a satisfaction for all this worldliness, Christians are making a great deal oi Lent and Easter and Good Friday and Church ornamentations. It is the old trick of Satan. The Jewish church struck on that rock, the Romish church was wrecked on the same, and the Protestant church is fast reaching the same doom, “Our great dangers, as we see them, are assimilation to the world, neglect of the poor, substitution of the form for the fact of godliness, abandonment of discipline, a hireling ministry, an impure gospel, which summed up, is a fashionable church. That Methodists should be liable to such an outcome, and that there should be signs of it in a hundred years from the ‘gail loft,’ seems almost the miracle of history; but who that looks about him today can fail to see the fact? “Do not Methodists, in violation of God’s Word and their own discipline, dress as extravagantly and as fashionably as any other class? Do not the ladies, and often the wives and daughters of the ministry, put on ‘gold and pearls and costly array?’ Would not the plain dress insisted upon by John Wesley, Bishop Asbury and worn by Hester Ann Rogers, Lady Huntingdon and many others equally distinguished, be now regarded in Methodist circles as fanaticism? Can any one going into the Methodist church in any of our chief cities distinguish the attire of the communicants from that of the theater and ballgoers? Is not worldliness seen in the music? Elaborately dressed and ornamented choirs, who in many cases make no profession of religion and are often sneering skeptics, go through a cold, artistic or operatic performance, which is as much in harmony with spiritual worship as an opera or theater. Under such worldlv performance spirituality is frozen to death. “Formerly every Methodist attended class and gave testi ZION’S WATCH TOWER (276-277) mony of experimental religion. Now the class meeting is attended by very few, and is in many churches abandoned. Seldom the stewards, trustees and leaders of the church attend class. Formerly nearly every Methodist prayed, testified or exhorted in prayer-meeting. Now but very few are heard. Formerly shouts and praises were heard; now such demonstrations of holy enthusiasm and joy are regarded as fanaticism. “Worldly socials, fairs, festivals, concerts and such like have taken place of the religious gatherings, revival meetings, class and prayer meetings of earlier days. “How true that the Methodist discipline is a dead letter. Its rules forbid the wearing of gold or pearls or costly array; yet no one ever thinks of disciplining its members for violating them. They forbid the reading of such books and the taking of such diversions as do not minister to godliness, yet the church itself goes to shows and frolics and festivals and fairs, which destroy the spiritual life of the young as well as of the old. The extent to which this is now carried on is appalling. The spiritual death it carries in its train will only be known when the millions it has swept into hell stand before the judgment. “The early Methodist ministers went forth to sacrifice and suffer for Christ. They sought not places of ease and affiuence, but of privation and suffering. They gloried not in their big salaries, fine parsonages and refined congregations, but in the souls that had been won for Jesus, Oh, how changed! A hireling ministry will be a feeble, a timid, a truckling, a time-serving ministry, without faith, endurance and holy powcr. Methodism formerly dealt in the great central truth. Now the pulpits deal largely in generalities and in popular lectures. The glorious doctrine of entire sanctification is rarely heard and seldom witnessed in the pulpits.” * * * _ As respects the Methodist church, past and present, we are inclined to concede much of what the Bishop presents as truth and not as childishness. We are inclined to think that higher criticism and evolution theories, etc., have turned the minds of the Methodist leaders as well as of the leaders in other denominations, so that they take a more worldly view of all affairs of life than was customary in the past. We are not by this meaning to say that Methodists and others are less mora] or less benevolent than in former times, but we do incline to say that they and others of our day have less faith in God, less faith in his Word, less faith in Jesus and the merit of his precious blood for the forgiveness of sins, and less consecration to his service than in times past. The great sifting, the separating work of this harvest time, is in progress: the tare class of nominal Christians are being separated from the sincere and consecrated wheat class. The latter will be found largely in the minority and will be considered “old fogy,” and their faith and hopes will be greatly at a discount in the nominal system, but at a premium in the Lord’s estimation. The Lord is gathering out his jewels and will leave none of them in Babylon. “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues.” The bride of Christ, the true members of the great High Priest, are not falling away in this time of general worldliness, unbelief, skepticism and forms of godliness without the power, but are growing in grace, growing in knowledge, growing in love and in the fruits of the Spirit. The difficulty with the world is that they see the nominal Christians and see not the true church: “The world knoweth us not because it knew him not.” MISLEADING THE YOUNG TO HATE GOD Before us is an advertisement of “Book for Children and Young Persons—Book 10, Tur Sicuts or HELL,” by Rev. J. Furniss, C. 8S. S. R., published by J. Duffy & Co., Dublin, Ireland. The advertisement gives two extracts which we reproduce below with a deep sense of shame that in this twenticth century and under the British flag there should be people to publish and others to buy and circulate such terrible, blasphemous micrepresentations of divine providence. How we long for the binding of Satan and the opening of the eyes of human understanding promised in the Millennium. Sure’y, when some of the poor, deluded ones come forth from the tomb they will rejoice to know the true God and to participate in his glorious plan of salvation at present understood by so few. The extract from page 19 reads thus:— THE RED-HOT FLOOR “Look into this room. What a dreadful place it is! The roof is red-hot, the walls are hed-hot, the floor is like a thick sheet of red-hot iron. See, on the middle of that red-hot floor stands a girl! She looks about sixteen vears old. Her feet are bare. She hag neither shoes nor stockings on her feet; her bare feet stand on the red-hot burning floor. The door of this room has never been opened since she first [3427]

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