Publication date
11/15/04
Volume
25
Number
22
The WatchTower
"Baptist" Views Changing
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NOVIlKBIlR 
I, 
1904 
ZION'S 
WATCH 
TOWER 
(335-339) 
SITTING 
WITH 
ABRAHAllII, 
ISAAO 
AND 
JACOB 
IN 
THE 
KINGDOM 
Q1Ustion.-Who 
are 
meant 
when 
it 
is 
said, 
"Many 
shall 
come 
from 
the 
east 
and 
from 
the 
west 
and 
shall 
sit 
down 
with 
Abraham, 
Isaac 
and 
Jacob 
in 
the 
Kingdom 
of 
heaven" 
1­ 
Matt. 
8:11. 
A.nswer.-As 
already 
poiTJted 
out 
in 
the 
DAWN 
seri('s. 
the 
Gospel 
church 
only 
will 
constitute 
the 
kingdom 
in 
its 
highest 
and 
strIctest 
sense; 
but 
Abraham, 
Isaac 
and 
Jacob 
and 
all 
the 
ancient 
worthies 
will 
be 
the 
chief 
ministers 
of 
that 
king­ 
dom 
ill 
the 
world 
of 
mankind, 
and 
all 
mankind 
will 
be 
invited 
to 
come 
into 
harmony 
with 
the 
spiritual 
kingdom, 
that 
God's 
will 
may 
be 
done 
in 
this, 
as 
an 
earthly 
class, 
as 
it 
is 
done 
in 
the 
heavenly 
class. 
In 
this 
sense 
of 
the 
word, 
all 
who 
shall 
accept 
of 
the 
terms 
and 
conditions 
of 
the 
kingdom 
will 
sit 
down, 
or 
be 
at 
rest 
and 
at 
peace 
with 
God, 
with 
Abraham, 
Isaac 
and 
Jacob 
and 
all 
the 
faithful 
of 
the 
earthly 
class. 
Thus 
it 
will 
be 
seen 
that 
the 
Lord 
is 
pointin~ 
to 
large 
class 
of 
the 
world 
of 
mankind 
who 
will 
ultimately 
become 
citizens 
of 
the 
earthly 
phase 
of 
the 
kingdom. 
This 
same 
thought 
is 
represented 
in 
Revelation, 
where 
it 
is 
intimated 
that 
all 
the 
worthy 
will 
enter 
into 
the 
city-the 
kingdom-while 
without 
will 
be 
all 
the 
unworthy, 
who 
love 
and 
serve 
sin, 
subjects 
of 
the 
second 
death. 
"CHILDREN 
OF 
DISOBEDIENCE" 
Question.-Who 
are 
the 
"children 
of 
disobedience" 
of 
Eph. 
2:21 
Answer.-Since 
Father 
Adam 
was 
created 
in 
God's 
like­ 
ness, 
and 
is 
designated 
son 
of 
God, 
it 
follows 
that 
all 
of 
his 
children, 
had 
they 
remained 
in 
harmony 
with 
God, 
would 
have 
been 
sons 
of 
God,-earthly 
sons. 
But 
since 
Adam 
became 
disobedient, 
and 
all 
of 
his 
children 
shared 
in 
his 
fall, 
all 
of 
the 
race 
of 
Adam 
a.re 
children 
of 
disobedience, 
children 
under 
punishment, 
under 
wrath, 
except 
those 
who 
have 
"escaped 
the 
condemnation 
that 
is 
upon 
the 
world," 
by 
acceptance 
of 
the 
di­ 
vine 
provision 
of 
favor 
and 
return 
to 
harmony 
with 
their 
Creator. 
Those 
who 
return 
to 
harmony 
with 
God 
through 
the 
appointed 
way 
become 
children 
of 
obedience; 
thOse 
who 
do 
not, 
even 
though 
they 
have 
not 
yet 
had 
the 
full 
opportunity 
which 
God 
designs 
they 
ultimately 
shall 
have 
to 
discern 
good 
from 
evil, 
and 
though 
they 
may 
choose 
the 
good, 
are, 
never­ 
theless, 
even 
now 
denominated 
"children 
of 
disobedience" 
and 
"children 
of 
wrath." 
DEAD 
TO 
THE 
LAW 
BY 
THE 
BODY 
OF 
CHRIST 
Question.-In 
Romans 
7: 
we 
read: 
"Ye 
also 
are 
be­ 
come 
dead 
to 
the 
Law 
by 
the 
body 
of 
Ohriet 
that 
ye 
should 
be 
married 
to 
another, 
ever, 
to 
him 
who 
is 
raised 
from 
the 
dead." 
What 
body 
is 
meant-the 
body 
of 
Jesus' 
flesh 
or 
"the 
church 
his 
body" 
Ansu:er.-It 
refers 
to 
the 
flesh 
of 
Jesus, 
whose 
death 
can­ 
celled 
all 
claims 
of 
the 
Law 
against 
believing 
Jew-made 
free 
to 
become 
united 
to 
the 
risen 
Christ 
(the 
Lord 
of 
Glory) 
as 
new 
creatures, 
as 
his 
bride. 
VOL. 
XXV 
ALLEGHENY, 
PA., 
NOVEMBER 
15, 
1904 
"BAPTIST" 
VIEWS 
CHANGING 
TESTIMO"N"Y 
OF 
AUGUSTUS 
H. 
STRONG, 
D.D., 
LL.D. 
No. 
22 
Doctor 
Strong 
is 
an 
authority 
among 
Baptists, 
the 
Presi­ 
dent 
of 
their 
prineipal 
theological 
seminary, 
located 
at 
Roche;;­ 
ter, 
N. 
Y. 
His 
public 
discourse, 
delivered 
at 
the 
"General 
De­ 
nominational 
Meeting" 
held 
in 
Cleveland, 
Ohio, 
last 
May, 
had 
the 
approval 
of 
that 
assembly 
as 
indicated 
by 
its 
"request" 
that 
the 
sermon 
be 
printed 
for 
general 
use. 
The 
changes 
of 
doctrinal 
views 
to 
which 
he 
calls 
attention 
may 
therefore 
be 
regarded 
by 
the 
public 
as 
endorsed 
by 
Baptists 
in 
general. 
We 
are 
by 
no 
means 
opposed 
to 
changes 
of 
views, 
believing 
heartily 
in 
the 
old 
worlnly 
adage, 
"A 
wise 
man 
changes 
some­ 
times, 
but 
fool 
never." 
We 
were 
glad 
when 
our 
Presbyterian 
brethren 
displaced 
their 
old 
creed 
with 
new 
one, 
but 
sorry 
they 
prevaricated 
on 
the 
subject 
by 
telling 
the 
world 
that 
they 
still 
retain 
the 
old 
creed-merely 
made 
new 
statement 
of 
it. 
Of 
<,ourse 
we 
agree 
with 
much 
that 
Dr. 
Strong 
has 
to 
say. 
Like 
other 
men 
of 
talent, 
he 
is 
able 
to 
state 
some 
matters 
in 
such 
terms 
that 
even 
his 
enemies 
and 
doctrinal 
opponents 
could 
not 
wholly 
dissent, 
and 
to 
so 
gloss 
other 
matters 
with 
sophistry 
as 
to 
mislead 
the 
uncritical 
and 
confiding 
of 
his 
hearers-whether 
educated 
or 
illiterate. 
We 
regret 
to 
note 
that 
such 
tendencies-called 
"diplomacy" 
in 
politics, 
"shrewd­ 
ness" 
in 
business 
circles, 
and 
"falsehood" 
in 
common 
parlance 
-are 
more 
and 
more 
creeping 
over 
all 
prominent 
theologians. 
Their 
excuse, 
we 
presume, 
would 
be 
"necessity." 
Christendom 
is 
admittedly 
in 
time 
of 
creedal 
upheaval 
and 
transformation, 
and 
quiet 
deception 
of 
the 
"old 
fogies" 
is 
considered 
virtue, 
preventing 
serious 
commotion. 
The 
hope 
is 
that 
the 
rising 
generation 
will 
by 
these 
deceptive 
phrases 
be 
kept 
in 
line 
until 
the 
"old 
fogies" 
are 
all 
dead, 
and 
then 
it 
can 
be 
pointed 
out 
that 
"our 
denomination 
changed 
its 
views 
slightly 
in 
your 
fathers' 
days 
and 
without 
their 
protest, 
and 
hence 
with 
their 
indorsement," 
and 
thus 
the 
most 
radiool 
changes 
would 
pass 
unchallenged 
by 
the 
masses. 
All 
this 
is 
great 
mistake---a 
seriously 
wrong 
course, 
even 
though 
pursued 
with 
good 
intentions. 
It 
amounts 
to-"Let 
us 
do 
evil 
that 
good 
may 
follow: 
let 
us 
continue 
to 
dishonor 
God 
and 
practice 
double-dealing 
on 
our 
too-confiding 
flocks, 
that 
our 
denominations 
may 
maintain 
their 
standing, 
numbers 
and 
influence, 
and 
that 
we 
may 
preserve 
our 
dignity, 
honor 
of 
men 
and 
light 
and 
remunerative 
employment." 
But 
let 
us 
examine 
these 
Baptist 
changes 
and 
note 
whether 
or 
not 
they 
mark 
advances 
or 
retrogressions, 
as 
viewed 
from 
the 
Biblical 
standpoint. 
We 
begin 
with 
their- 
"OLD 
AND 
NEW 
VIEWS 
OF 
SIN" 
"But 
our 
fathers 
did 
not 
see, 
as 
we 
do, 
that 
man's 
relation 
to 
Christ 
antedated 
the 
Fall 
and 
constituted 
an 
underlying 
and 
modifying 
condition 
of 
man's 
life. 
Humanity 
was 
naturally 
in 
Christ, 
in 
whom 
all 
things 
were 
created 
and 
in 
whom 
they 
all 
consist. 
Even 
man's 
sin 
did 
not 
prevent 
Christ 
from 
still 
working 
in 
him 
to 
counteract 
the 
evil 
and 
to 
suggest 
the 
good. 
There 
was 
an 
internal, 
as 
well 
as 
an 
external, 
preparation 
for 
man's 
redemption. 
In 
this 
sense, 
of 
divine 
principle 
in 
man 
striving 
against 
the 
selfish 
and 
gouless 
will, 
there 
was 
total 
redemption, 
over 
against 
man's 
total 
depravity; 
and 
an 
orig­ 
inal 
grace, 
that 
was 
even 
more 
powerful 
than 
original 
sin. 
"The 
great 
Baptist 
body 
has 
become 
conscious 
that 
total 
depravity 
alone 
is 
not 
sufficient 
or 
proper 
expression 
of 
the 
truth; 
and 
the 
phrase 
has 
been 
outgrown. 
has 
been 
felt 
that 
the 
old 
view 
of 
sin 
did 
not 
take 
account 
of 
the 
generous 
and 
noble 
aspirations, 
the 
unselfish 
efforts, 
the 
strivings 
after 
God, 
of 
even 
unregenerate 
men. 
For 
this 
reason 
there 
has 
been 
less 
preaching 
about 
sin, 
and 
less 
conviction 
as 
to 
its 
guilt 
and 
condemnation. 
The 
good 
impulses 
of 
men 
outside 
the 
Christian 
pale 
have 
been 
often 
credited 
to 
human 
nature, 
when 
they 
should 
have 
been 
credited 
to 
the 
indwelling 
spirit 
of 
Christ. 
make 
no 
doubt 
that 
one 
of 
the 
radical 
weaknesses 
of 
our 
denomination 
at 
this 
present 
time 
is 
its 
more 
superficial 
view 
of 
sin." 
Here 
we 
find 
new 
error 
introduced 
as 
an 
antidote 
for 
an 
old 
one. 
There 
is 
not 
one 
word 
in 
the 
Bible 
about 
"total 
de­ 
pravity." 
Baptists, 
Congregationalists 
and 
Presbyterians 
got 
this 
phrase 
and 
conception 
from 
Calvin. 
It 
is 
an 
absurdity 
on 
its 
face. 
The 
proper, 
Scriptural 
thought 
is 
this, 
Man 
t8 
80 
depraved 
as 
to 
be 
totally 
unable 
to 
recover 
htmself, 
so 
as 
to 
regain 
perfection 
and 
divine 
fellowship. 
This 
is 
the 
Scrip­ 
tural 
proposition-substantiated 
by 
all 
the 
New 
Testament 
writings. 
Why 
are 
all 
the 
creeds 
which 
contain 
this 
"total 
d('pravity" 
feature 
gaining 
in 
disrepute' 
Because 
it 
fixes 
mattrrs 
for 
the 
heathen 
and 
infants-negativing 
the 
idea 
that 
these 
could 
pass 
into 
heaven 
acceptable 
to 
God 
without 
faith 
and 
regeneration. 
All 
along, 
these 
qualities 
of 
faith 
and 
regeneration 
in 
the 
par­ 
ent 
have 
been 
counted 
as 
sufficing 
for 
his 
children 
dying 
in 
in­ 
fancy; 
but, 
with 
the 
eternal 
torment 
idea 
still 
latent, 
modern 
thinkers 
with 
any 
heart 
repudiate 
the 
thought 
that 
all 
but 
re­ 
generated 
believers 
and 
their 
children, 
the 
great 
mass 
of 
hu­ 
manity, 
are 
rushing 
into 
such 
an 
awful 
eternity 
at 
the 
rate 
of 
over 
80,000 
every 
twenty-four 
holUs. 
But 
note 
the 
new 
error, 
that 
it 
is 
worse 
than 
the 
former 
in 
that 
it 
is 
more 
subtle,-sophistry 
less 
likely 
to 
be 
d('tected 
by 
the 
average 
mind. 
Think 
of 
It! 
"UnmaI1lty 
wa~ 
naturally 
tit 
Christ!" 
Either 
the 
learned 
gentleman 
is 
sadly 
confused 
on 
the 
subject 
or 
else 
he 
is 
trying 
his 
best 
to 
confuse 
others. 
If 
the 
gentleman 
meant 
to 
say 
that 
divine 
grace 
planned 
universal 
redemption 
before 
the 
fall 
occurred 
and 
that 
in 
.due 
time 
and 
in 
some 
manner 
all 
the 
race 
will 
get 
share 
of 
that 
blessed 
provision, 
he 
would 
be 
in 
full 
accord 
with 
us 
respecting 
the 
Scripture 
teaching. 
If 
he 
meant 
this 
we 
assume 
that 
he 
would 
have 
said 
it. 
We 
deny 
that 
"humanity 
was 
naturally 
in 
Christ." 
When 
Adam 
was 
perfect 
he 
needed 
not 
to 
be 
in 
Christ, 
for 
being 
Sll1­ 
less 
and 
in 
the 
divine 
image 
he 
had 
relationship 
with 
his 
Cre­ 
ator 
without 
mediator. 
It 
was 
sin 
and 
its 
sentence 
that 
made 
necessary 
Mediator 
and 
his 
work 
of 
(1) 
atonement 
for 
ou 
[3457] 
NovemsBer 1, 1904 SITTING WITH ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB IN THE KINGDOM Question.—Who are meant when it is said, “Many shall come from the east and from the west and shall sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of heaven” ?— Matt. 8:11. . Answer.—As already pointed out in the Dawn series. the Gospel church only will constitute the kingdom in its highest and strictest sense; but Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and ail the ancient worthies will be the chief ministers of that kingdom in the world of mankind, and all mankind will be invited to come into harmony with the spiritual kingdom, that God’s will may be done in this, as an earthly class, as it is done in the heavenly class. In this sense of the word, all who shall accept of the terms and conditions of the kingdom will sit down, or be at rest and at peace with God, with Abraham, Tsaae and Jacob and all the faithful of the earthly class. Thus it will be seen that the Lord is pointing to a large class of the world of mankind who will ultimately become citizens of the earthly phase of the kingdom. This same thought is represented in Revelation, where it is intimated that all the worthy will enter into the city—the kingdom—while without will be all the unworthy, who love and serve sin, subjects of the second death. “CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE’’ Question—Who are the “children of disobedience” of Eph, 2:2? ZION’S WATCH TOWER (335-339) Answer.—Since Father Adam was created in God’s likeness, and is designated a son of God, it follows that all of his children, had they remained in harmony with God, would have been sons of God,—earthly sons. But since Adam became disobedient, and all of his children shared in his fall, all of the race of Adam are children of disobedience, children under punishment, under wrath, except those who have “escaped the condemnation that is upon the world,” by acceptance of the divine provision of favor and return to harmony with their Creator. Those who return to harmony with God through the appointed way become children of obedience; those who do not, even though they have not yet had the full opportunity which God designs they ultimately shall have to discern good from evil, and though they may choose the good, are, nevertheless, even now denominated “children of disobedience” and “children of wrath.” DEAD TO THE LAW BY THE BODY OF CHRIST Question—In Romans 7:4 we read: “Ye also are become dead to the Law by the body of Christ that ye should be married to another, ever, to him who is raised from the dead.” What body is meant—the body of Jesus’ flesh or “the church his body”? Answer.—It refers to the flesh of Jesus, whose death cancelled all claims of the Law against a believing Jew—made free to become united to the risen Christ (the Lord of Glory) as new creatures, as his bride. ALLEGHENY, PA., NOVEMBER 15, 1904 Vou. XXV No. 22 “BAPTIST” VIEWS CHANGING TESTIMONY OF AUGUSTUS H. STRONG, D.D., LL.D. Doctor Strong is an authority among Baptists, the President of their principa] theological seminary, located at Rochester, N. Y. His public discourse, delivered at the “General Denominational Meeting” held in Cleveland, Ohio, last May, had the approval of that assembly as indicated by its “request” that the sermon be printed for general use. The changes of doctrinal views to which he calls attention may therefore be regarded by the public as endorsed by Baptists in general. We are by no means opposed to changes of views, believing heartily in the old worldly adage, “A wise man changes Sometimes, but a fool never.” We were glad when our Presbyterian brethren displaced their old creed with a new one, but sorry they prevaricated on the subject by telling the world that they still retain the old creed—merely made a new statement of it. Of course we agree with much that Dr. Strong has to say. Like other men of talent, he is able to state some matters in such terms that even his enemies and doctrinal opponents could not wholly dissent, and to so gloss other matters with sophistry as to mislead the uncritical and confiding of his hearers—whether edueated or illiterate. We regret to note that such tendencies—called “diplomacy” in politics, “shrewdness” in business circles, and “falsehood” in common parlance —are more and more ereeping over all prominent theologians. Their excuse, we presume, would be “necessity.” Christendom is admittedly in a time of creedal upheaval and transformation, and quiet deception of the “old fogies” is considered a virtue, preventing a serious commotion. The hope is that the rising generation will by these deceptive phrases be kept in line until the “old fogies” are all dead, and then it can be pointed out that “our denomination changed its views slightly in your fathers’ days and without their protest, and hence with their indorsement,” and thus the most radical changes would pass unchallenged by the masses. All this is a great mistake—a seriously wrong course, even though pursued with good intentions. It amounts to—“Let us do evil that good may follow: let us continue to dishonor God and practice double-dealing on our too-confiding flocks, that our denominations may maintain their standing, numbers and influence, and that we may preserve our dignity, honor of men and light and remunerative employment.” But let us examine these Baptist changes and note whether or not they mark advances or retrogressions, as viewed from the Biblical standpoint. We begin with their— “OLD AND NEW VIEWS OF SIN’’ “But our fathers did not see, as we do, that man’s relation to Christ antedated the Fall and constituted an underlying and modifying condition of man’s life. Humanity was naturally in Christ, in whom all things were created and in whom they all consist. Even man’s sin did not prevent Christ from still working in him to counteract the evil and to suggest the good. There was an internal, as well as an external, preparation for man’s redemption. In this sense, of a divine principle in man striving against the selfish and godless will, there was a total redemption, over against man’s total depravity; and an original grace, that was even more powerful than original sin. “The great Baptist body has become conscious that total depravity alone is not a sufficient or proper expression of the truth; and the phrase has been outgrown. It has been felt that the old view of sin did not take account of the generous and noble aspirations, the unselfish efforts, the strivings after God, of even unregenerate men. For this reason there has been Jess preaching about sin, and less conviction as to its guilt and condemnation. The good impulses of men outside the Christian pale have been often credited to human nature, when they should have been credited to the indwelling spirit of Christ. I make no dovbt that one of the radical weaknesses of our denomination at this present time is its more superficial view of sin.” Here we find a new error introduced as an antidote for an old one. There is not one word in the Bible about “total depravity.” Baptists, Congregationalists and Presbyterians got this phrase and conception from Calvin. It is an absurdity on its face. The proper, Scriptural thought is this, Man 1s so depraved as to be totally unable to recover humself, so as to regain perfection and divine fellowship. This is the Scriptural proposition—substantiated by all the New Testament writings. Why are all the creeds which contain this “total depravity” feature gaining in disrepute? Because it fixes matters for the heathen and infants—negativing the idea that these could pass into heaven acceptable to God without faith and regeneration. All along, these qualities of faith and regeneration in the parent have been counted as sufficing for his children dying in infaney; but, with the eternal torment idea still latent, modern thinkers with any heart repudiate the thought that all but regenerated believers and their children, the great mass of humanity, are rushing into such an awful eternity at the rate of over 80,000 every twenty-four hours, But note the new error, that it is worse than the former in that it is more subtle,—sophistry less likely to be detected by the average mind. Think of it! ‘TIumanity was naturally om Christ!” Either the learned gentleman is sadly confused on the subject or else he is trying his best to confuse others. If the gentleman meant to say that divine grace planned a universal redemption before the fall occurred and that in due time and in some manner all the race will get a share of that blessed provision, he would be in full accord with us respecting the Scripture teaching. If he meant this we assume that he would have said it. We deny that “humanity was naturally in Christ.” When Adam was perfect he needed not to be in Christ, for being sinless and in the divine image he had relationship with his Creator without a mediator. It was sin and its sentence that made necessary a Mediator and his work of (1) atonement for our [3457]

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